NPS scores, health dashboards, adoption reports. CS teams have long used these sentiment and engagement metrics to show value. But we’ve entered an era where retention has become existential.
Those signals are useful, but they rarely make Customer Success mission-critical inside a company. What does make it essential? Delivering outcomes that impact revenue.
On a recent episode of the [Un]Churned podcast, PowerSchool Chief Customer Officer (CCO) Manish Chawla sat down with host Josh Schachter and shared his perspective that reframes how CS earns its place in the executive conversation. According to Manish, Customer Success becomes essential when it owns outcomes that affect the company’s financial model.
“At the end, the only truth that matters is what the customer believes,” Manish said. The best way to shape that belief is to deliver results that directly tie to business outcomes.
Customer Success Becomes Essential When It Owns Revenue
Many CS teams still find themselves operating outside of the company’s main revenue process. Sales handles the pipeline. Finance manages forecasting. Customer Success focuses on adoption and building relationships. Manish thinks this setup limits CS’s contribution to a business.
He connects Customer Success to three measurable outcomes that matter to executives:
- Gross revenue retention (GRR)
- Expansion within existing accounts
- Customer health and long-term value
“If you have a portfolio of accounts as a CSM,” he explained, “then you have a GRR goal based on company targets. Second is expansion for your portfolio. And the third is health.”
These metrics link Customer Success activities directly to company performance. GRR shows how well the company keeps its revenue. Expansion tracks growth from current customers. Health makes sure the team builds lasting relationships, not just renewals.
When Customer Success owns these metrics, its role changes. The CEO starts to see CS as a key leader in the company’s growth, not just a support team. Manish explained it clearly: executives look to the CRO for new business growth, to the CCO for retention, and to the CFO for the full financial picture.
“You have to own a part of the revenue equation,” Manish said. “That’s how you become critical to the math.”
The AE Is the CEO of the Account. The CSM Is the COO.
Manish shared his perspective on the partnership between Sales and Customer Success, inspired by an [Un]Churned episode with Jared Collins at Dell Technologies.
In his episode, Jared makes the analogy that the AI is the CEO for an account and the CSM is the COO. Manish expands on the comparison and how it relates to responsibility and collaboration. The account executive owns the commercial relationship and long-term growth strategy. The CSM ensures the operational reality delivers on the promise that was sold.
Just as a CEO and COO depend on each other to get results, Sales and Customer Success work best when they support each other. This approach also changes how CSMs judge their own performance. Metrics like NPS or satisfaction scores still count, as they show the basics of a healthy relationship.
“A CSM that measures themselves on NPS is only the hygiene part of the story,” Manish explained. “You become essential when you can clearly articulate top-line or bottom-line outcomes.”
Customers should be able to see the value Customer Success brings. This could mean faster adoption, better operations, or clear business results.
Why AI Will Become a Baseline Expectation
Like many software companies, PowerSchool is investing a lot in artificial intelligence, but Manish has a practical view on adopting AI.
He doesn’t expect customers to pay separately for AI features. “I don’t think customers are going to pay for additional AI solutions,” he said. “You expect it now. It’s table stakes.”
Customers now expect modern software to include smart automation and AI-powered help. These features boost productivity, make workflows easier, and help users get things done faster. Companies that don’t offer these features risk falling behind their competitors.
“You get disqualified or considered underwhelming if you don’t have it,” Manish explained. Companies are starting to build AI into the whole product experience, not just as a separate feature. The goal is to help customers save time and work more efficiently.
The Real Constraint: Cost to Serve
As AI adoption speeds up, where can it make the biggest difference for Customer Success?
Manish points to one operational challenge that many CS organizations face: cost to serve. Customer Success teams often face a scaling challenge. If each CSM handles only a few accounts, growing the business usually means hiring more staff. This approach gets harder to maintain as the company grows. “You’re not going to turn around and say you need half the company doing CS,” Manish said.
Companies that scale Customer Success effectively redesign their operating model. Manish highlighted three areas that enable this shift:
- Productivity improvements through AI and automation.
- Digital Customer Success programs that reach the long tail of customers.
- Partner ecosystems that extend service capacity.
These strategies help companies achieve two main goals: lowering costs and improving the customer experience. “Cost to serve is one of the constraints you’re optimizing for,” Manish explained. “You want cost to serve down and customer experience up.”
Customer Success Is Becoming Part of the Revenue Engine
The shift Manish describes is part of a broader change happening across SaaS organizations. As competition increases and switching costs drop, long-term growth depends less on acquiring customers and more on keeping and expanding them.
In other words, the real revenue engine begins after the deal closes.
The idea of RaaS, or Revenue as a Service, is simple: retention and expansion should operate with the same discipline, visibility, and forecasting rigor as new business. In a world where building software is easy, keeping customers and growing their value drives durable growth.
When companies adopt this mindset, several things change:
- Retention becomes forecastable, not reactive.
- Expansion becomes a pipeline, not opportunistic upsells.
- Customer signals become revenue signals.
This is exactly the operating model Manish describes. Customer Success owns GRR. Sales and CS collaborate on expansion. Customer signals guide commercial strategy. The post-sale organization becomes an active driver of growth rather than a support layer.
The Customer Success Goal: Owning the Outcome
CS leaders often discuss how to show their value, and Manish believes the organization becomes truly valuable in two ways.
Customer Success needs to be essential to customers by delivering real results. It also needs to be essential to the company by impacting the key growth metrics. Teams that work directly with customers are key to reaching both goals. “You’re right in front of the customer,” Manish told his organization. “Be their advocate.”
When CS teams link their work to customer results, and those results to revenue, their role becomes a key part of the company’s growth. Customer Success then becomes part of the company’s growth story.
Continue the Conversation on [Un]Churned
This article features ideas from the [Un]Churned podcast episode, “How This Ex-CRO Is Making CS Impossible to Ignore ft. Manish Chawla (PowerSchool).” In the full episode, host Josh Schachter and PowerSchool CCO, Manish Chawla, dive deeper into how CS becomes part of the revenue engine, the evolving partnership between Sales and CS, and more.
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